It has been a tough environment for active managers, so I thought I would take a look at a performance comparison of the most popular ASX LICs.
List of the 15 most commonly held ASX LICs and performance comparison for 18/19
ASX LIC Perf (TSR) inc franking 18/19
(ASX: WGB) -10.9%
Not many on the list managed to beat the ASX200 for the year. For example the equivalent return there was approximately 13.4%. In fact, if I have the numbers right, I don’t think any of them beat that index. The figures above were grossed up to include the benefits of franking, likewise when I referred to the benchmark figure just then.
Top ASX dividend shares with investors
The average return amongst the bunch above was just under 2%. I find the returns all so underwhelming that I am questioning myself if I have made some typos. So please let me know if you think some of these are incorrect. I came across the list (i.e. which are most widely held) from a table provided by CommSec as per below. They took a look at data from SMSFs last year. So the weak performance has affected plenty of investors. Many of these shares are quite popular with SMSFs and dividend investing blogs in Australia. Topping the list are a couple of the “grandfather” LICs that suit investors following the Peter Thornhill style of investing.
Now I haven’t had time to dissect the smaller sized LICs, yet I believe the results would look even worse!
ASX LICs discount / premium to NTA
The figures above are based off shareholder return so in many instances were dragged down by movements in the relationship between share price and NTA.
Without going back and checking, at a glance ones where the premium might have taken a hit include, WAM, WAX, FGG, PMC, PAI, MIR. Newer Wilson LICs such as WLE and WGB moved to discounts.
Part of this exercise of glancing at some of the LIC performance was to make me feel better about my own struggling portfolio!
It seems as though I run a blog about a couple of the most unfashionable areas in investing right now, LICs and value investing with more of a micro-cap focus! Don’t be surprised if when you visit this page next time it is about stocks like Beyond Meat (NASDAQ:BYND) and crypto currencies. People might be interested then.
ASX LICs conflict of interest and DON’T buy at IPO
Having said that, at this point in time I am happy at least I didn’t rush in buying more LICs about a year ago after some modest discount widening at the time. A message I hope I have got across in blogging about LICs is that paying large premiums to NTA can be risky. Likewise committing money to LICs at IPO stage. The increased supply of LICs has weighed on the sector. A year ago I made a blog post looking at some of the themes in the ASX LIC space I expected over the year ahead.
Are LIC discounts that wide?
An old rule of thumb I have heard with ASX LICs is since outperforming the benchmark can be a mugs game for active managers we should expect discounts. For example some believe if fees chew up 1% of the NTA then a 10% discount is normal. Many LICs easily leak 2% in fees when all costs are considered so using that theory a 20% discount might be considered normal in some cases.
In the absence of specific catalysts to close the discount gap that sort of thinking might still be a good rule of thumb.
ETF vs LIC performance
It is not only the discount widening that has hit returns in 18/19. Many funds managers have simply underperformed with their stock picking.I can relate to that as my own picks have also done relatively poorly versus the index. This will continue to leave in many cases their longer term performance record (even after their “creative” reporting of performance) to be looking fairly poor.
This comes at a time of increasing choice and competition from ETFs.
Catalysts for ASX LIC discounts to tighten
Obviously there is future performance to improve but that can be difficult to predict. There are some areas I believe that are worth watching that are not as difficult to forecast.
The IMA I see as an important area. This can often be a stumbling block for shareholders to organise to capture value by winding up a LIC at near the NTA. As the newer LICs get in the back half period of usually 10 year IMAs then things could get more interesting.
Pre GFC the LIC sector climbed from about 40 to over 60 from memory. As discounts widened many didn’t survive and the number fell back to near 40. Now I recently read we have around 114! In time a significant number will not survive in their current form. I might explore which ones in a later blog post (well perhaps explore some of a rather big bunch anyway).
Shareholder Activism, buying ASX LICs at a discount
Activists getting above the 5% threshold in LICs. I have already seen some examples in recent months and expect more of this to occur.
Situations also become more interesting where the fees of the LIC are not too large whilst you potentially have to wait for a catalyst. I refer to instances where the company might add say 1.5% to the NTA each year via a buy back policy which potentially can cover nearly all of the fee drag. Also cases where the manager is a long way from their “high watermark” in terms of future performance fees.
When these catalysts start to line up and if the discounts get to nearer 25% there could be some excellent buying. The one big dilemma though is if you find the discount attractive and you buy over the next few months, only to find out we run into a bear market. Suddenly this doesn’t help so much when the NTA is falling rapidly!
What Have I Been Buying / Selling in LICs Lately?
Not a great deal.
Argo Global Listed Infrastructure Ltd (ASX:ALI).
I actually sold more than half my ALI in the last week or so as it has bucked the trend over the last year. It is very easy for Argo to manage (outsource the management to Cohen & Steers and clip the ticket). That makes me wonder whether if the shares got to trade above the after tax NTA, maybe they won’t resist the temptation to issue more shares.
Shareholders recently in WCM Global Growth Ltd (ASX:WQG) would understand well how management of LICs can get tempted to issue new shares!
I still own a fair few ALI though and not rushing for the exit door. I do acknowledge though it has had a tailwind of falling bond yields and AUD. Factors I am less convinced about continuing from here now that all the guru forecasters have jumped on these bandwagons.
Undervalued Stocks ASX
8IP Emerging Companies Ltd (ASX:8EC)
On the buy side in June I purchased some 8IP Emerging Companies Ltd (ASX:8EC) and also Blue Sky Alternative Access Fund Ltd (ASX:BAF). The former is not very interesting just hopefully a parking spot for me that beats cash returns as it goes through a wind up.
Blue Sky Alternative Access Fund (ASX:BAF) & WAM Capital?
I might write some more on BAF later but I thought it offered a lot of value under 72 cents. Whether it gets rebranded under a different manager or even if it is wound up I think the returns should be good from that level.
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